In honor of MLK day, I’m reposting a conversation I had with my friend Joseph Harris back in June about race and American Christianity. It’s just as poignant today as it was the first time around.

“When Christians find a sin that they find problematic, they don’t just pray it away, there is some sort of action…If racism is a sin problem, I want to see churches react like they do with other sin problems…I never see someone get excommunicated for being a racist.”

In this episode, Noel talks with Joseph Harris, Coordinator of the Center of Diversity and Inclusion at DePauw University in Indiana and Ph.D. student in urban education literacy at Michigan State University. They talk about ways Christians and Pastors in predominantly white churches can practically think and talk about race issues, during times of crisis and in between.

Here’s some links to a few things they talked about: